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I have to agree. The Nano is going to eliminate many competitors. The phone is just the start to get the UI on phones. Apple will have one very soon.

Enderle? Saying something positive about an Apple product?

He must have slipped and hit his head in the shower.

Hey Enderlie!

That's change horses in mid stream, as in, if you do you get water in your boots.

Hey, Enderlie didn't say it MDN did.

*throws chair across the room*

sure, but the HP comment was asinine.. Apple made awesome products and HP sold alot of iPods...

The only 'problem' is Apple shrewdly negotiated a deal, where they got everything they wanted.

I mean, this freakin' joker thought the HP iPod would outsell the 'Apple' version..

Yes you read that correctly. Enderle loved the deal so much he said something stupid and wrong about it making HP more important to digital music than Apple.

The phone is the only phone that plays AAC+ songs. It should do fine.

Hey where would be a great place to advertise.. oh yeah... the iTMS.. there's some exposure

I've been waiting for the iTunes phone before I upgraded from my 4-year-old Nokia. Unfortunately, I was even more interested in Bluetooth compatibility, which means even more to me (about the only time I want to listen to my iPod is in the car). I think I'll keep looking.

After seeing the two products ... it seems like the names don't fit ... the iPod ROCKS and the Motorola phone is a nono

The phone sucks and it doesn't have anything to do with Apple not partnering well. Vey few companies understand style/class/drama. certainly not Motorola or HP.
This is not an "Apple" phone! It's a Motorola phone with iTunes.
Jobs will probably throwup every morning he sees one of these ugly suckers. It's just a matter of time before he says "screw this" and takes over the cell market himself.

Well, as much as us realistic people who already own iPods already have our opinions that the iTunes phone is not for us. But there definitely will be a market for it, as long as they play their cards right.

I'm worried about the speaker on the thing, though...ugh, just the thought of some dumbwit playing his music in public....just makes me cringe.

The nano is apparently a big hit everywhere, but no one has mentioned that the headphones are, uh, in my opinion, ugly as hell. I still like the headphones to come out of the top.

I'm sure it will be a hit, though.

HP tried to be hip with their PC's to breath new life into them, the only problem is HP is and always will be a printer company.

Because crappie Windoze in on HP PC's it was a fruitless effort to be stylish.

People look a the OS 99% of the time, if it ain't cool, no matter how cool the hardware is, it's irrelevant.

There are two kinds of people in the world.

1: Farmers

2: Hunters

90% of the people in the world don't even know which one they belong to.


Farmers naturally tend to do things in a long term slow way and don't get very excited about anything. They naturally tend to get into a state where they do the least possible, sort of stagnating themselves. They would use a machete to cut wheat because it's "always how it was done" Because they don't innovate, they eventually die, get killed by hunters or get replaced by something better. Some farmers will adopt new techniques but at great pain, and then they won't change again for a long time or not at all.

Hunters get very exited about the next "kill" and constantly adapting to better themselves, to reap a bigger reward by their actions. This tends to show in weapons improvement and new products that save them time and effort because so much energy is used to hunt. Unfortunately a lot of young hunters burn out or "go a different path" all to easily. Thus their efforts don't last long. Older hunters utilize part of the behaviors of farmers, but don't entirely give up their hunter ways.


The majority of HP top brass were farmers trying to be changed by a few hunters. The farmers tried to change and be led by the hunters, but eventually their farmer personality rebelled and they got rid of the hunters who were inflicting too much change upon them.

Apple back under Steve Jobs has returned to it's hunter roots, under John Scully, Apple turned into a farmer company. Which was the worst for it, thus it's low market share today. Only the graphics and schools kept Apple alive, farmer markets, no new markets were being conquered and corporations and small businesses (other hunters) were not really even touched.

Microsoft has always been a farmer, but only recently when SJ returned have finally felt the dreaded change come at them. They don't like it and it's showing in their behavior. They seek new untouched areas to try to dominate, knowing they can't possibly compete against the hunter Apple.

The Chinese have only one interest, to milk M$ for as long as possible and them dump them, they are hunters preying on the farmer M$.


Steve Jobs is a hunter, despite his great wealth he lives in a drab like house with little furniture, wears the same plain clothes, eats a diet that is about zero fat and probably tastes horrible. But it keeps him sharp and from becoming a fat and lazy farmer with their fancy houses, cars and meals. As a hunter SJ's weapons are the finest tools available, he hones them constantly to make them better. His office and buildings are sharp, he hires the best designers, he produces the best products and he's out to kill.

So the kind of person you are will determine a whole lot of things.

If you decide to go the corporate farmer route and be comfortable doing the same old job, day in and day out for the rest of your life. Hoping one day to take your family to Hawaii once for a mere two weeks.

Or if you decide to take more risk, willing to go poor to learn more about your world, to take a chance getting rich or failing doing so. To live in Hawaii for several years, instead of a plain visit, or to travel the world in the search for opportunity and life experience.

Remember this before I leave you today


Here's to the crazy ones.
The misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers.
The round pegs in the square holes.
The ones who see things differently.
They're not fond of rules, and they have no respect
for the status quo.
You can quote them. Disagree with them.
Glorify or vilify them.
About the only thing you can't do is ignore them,
because they change things.
They push the human race forward.
And while some may see them as the crazy ones,
we see genius, because the people who are crazy enough
to think they can change the world...


Are the ones who do.
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Apple = "it's a iTunes Phone" = gets no money

Motorolla = "it's a ROKR Phone" = gets little money

Cingular = "we'll advertise for Phone" = gets all the money


I got a idea!

Velco the iPod Nano to your present phone instead!

Don't need to buy a new phone, get twice the battery life, hold 10x more songs and they can be seperated if need be.


Sometimes even the best intentions and technical achievements can be made obsolete with a little low grade ingenuity.

Like using a marker to make copy protected cd's work in computers.

The phone is insane. Why didn't Moto pay out a few more dollars to Apple to have them design the phone? Moto did it on the cheap and it shows. Maybe for Round Two they will turn the design work over to Jobs & Ives.

There are two types of people in this world, those who divide people into two categories and those who don't.

There are three types of people in this world, those who can count and those who can't.

Nano will fit perfectly on the back of a RAZR phone, and still be thinner than the ROKR

There are actually 10 types of people in the world.
Those who can read binary, and those who can't.




~M

The ROKR phone is a huge disappointment if only for it's throwback industrial design. It totally isn't Apple design at all. The phone will probably be an okay seller, but I really doubt that many people will be rushing to buy it.

Too bad. There were some pretty cool "what-if" mock-ups that were going around the net. Some really cool ones are at

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/the-iphone-ispoof-art-show-123832.php

Now if Apple came out with such an iPhone, there would be a massive stampede!

# mike "The phone is the only phone that plays AAC+ songs. It should do fine."

That's not correct. Most of Sony Ericsson's phones can play aac. Hmm, or maybe I'm wrong... what did you mean by "AAC+"? Whats the "+" for ?

ROKR phone.....being "not enough Apple"

....and this is what licensed OS X would look like.

Apple would have little or no control over the physical look of the box. If your complaining about the looks of the ROKR phone on one hand, you shouldn't be pushing licensing on the other....

Enderle says its a winner - but surely he sees the risk of choking from such a small iPod??

Something has got to him if he can't see the major risks of Apple product ownership anymore... after all the iMac g5 was a life threatening computer.

"but to us this phone simply doesn’t have enough Apple in it"

Hey Enderle, bend over and show us something that does have enough Apple in it.

Maybe mike meant Fairplay-protected AAC...

Maybe mike meant Fairplay-protected AAC...

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hence the '+'

of course, there is only one phone that plays iTMS music, and most adults are NOT downloading music because the world of p2p, i know this may seem bewildering to some, is just too obscure and sketchy.

PS. most people don't think 99 cents for a song is expensive.

Since iTMS is the MS of music stores, then of course ppl are being forced (ugh) to buy this phone..

It should sell, though I agree it is pricey for mass market

Macaday, you beat me to it. I never get tired of making fun of Enderle's "hurricane" comment, but I'm just too slow to post today.

But maybe Rob will read what I posted in another thread -- Do not eat iPod nano!

there are actually two types of people in the world.

there are those who think there are two types of people in the world, and then there is everybody else.

true ...

How many hours per gigabyte of memory will an ipod hold? or another way of putting the question is, how long is the song that apple quotes when saying for example that this ipod will hold 1000 songs, etc?

I tend to listen to classical or jazz albums, so the number of songs doesn't mean much to me. I kind of wish apple would just list how many hours of audi capacity each ipod has.

any help on this question is greatly appreciated.

MacHead,

Thanks, I enjoyed reading that!