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When the chips are down.

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3,8 billions (what money?) ... 4 trillions won ... What is the good number?

Means difference between $3,8 millions and 4 million won.... Comparizon will be made with the same money!

MW: free ----> it's not free

does anyone know anymore what this is all about? I thought they'd choose Samsung because they're close to unbeatable (as of price-performance).

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Why not Panasonic? They're trying to push their new P2 card as a replacement to video tape. It's awesome technology, and at its core is the Secure Digital flash memory found in a huge number of digital still cameras.

Apple ought to team up with Panasonic on this one.

Insider shenanigans at Samsung. It's Korea after all ... good governance is not so prevalent there. Enron, on the other hand....

I'd be really happy if apple did in fact shift its investment to the US. There is no reason why flash memory production can't be done in the US for comparable pricing-- the process is mostly automated without the need for a massive labor force.


That "Designed in California by Apple and Manufactured in China" sticker doesn't do it for me.

Why don't we make flash memory in the US?

because most students in US high schools know much more about how to use condoms and sexual positions than how to read. At least, that's why a bunch of companies are moving to Canada... no our kids in the US are much more fluent in 50 Cents, BigEE Smalls and Christina than physics, mathematics, and engineering.

the US is dying... we are dying. The NEA, the teacher's union leadership and university professors are the reason why.

the day we start throwing the bad kids out of school, and let the good kids stay and learn is the day we may come back from the brink...

but not until then.. until then - we have a shitload of dummies with really good self esteem ... and some even can speak english.

In 21st-century America, stupid starts at the top. Your President keeps throwing away billions in Iraq that could be used at home -- including third-party investment in flash-memory plants -- and who's to blame? The NEA and the teachers?! WHAT?!

And all these jobs that are "going to Canada"? Where's your proof? You provided no proof because here is no proof, of course. Your opinion is based on ideology alone - no logic, no thought... nothing.

You want to know why America is "dying"? Start by looking in a mirror.

To hell with the gooks. They are nothing but stupid rice-eyed dog eating fools, who think they are the best in the world.

They should take their business over to another country, like Taiwan.

Price fixing is doom to any economy, especially when machines are making the products.

This just goes to show that those rice-brained noodle heads have top heavy companies which can only profit when they try to artifically control the market. F 'em. There should be 1 employee in management to every 500 workers on the floor, instead the gooks like 20 management freeloaders to every 5 machines. Great, no wonder the currency tanks every few years.

There were 4 companies involved in this price fixing case. The only one that didn't face a fine, need to bargain one, or basically get spanked was the one based in the U.S..

Then we get an article about Apple dropping a technological investment because of politics. So much for our inexpensive high quality 30 gig flash drives. Funny how the cases and sanctions were for RAM fixing and NOT NAND.

Call me a bad kid. If it's of equal quality and American made I'll buy it if it helps some guy keep a roof over his family's heads. If it's not equal quality or costs a lot more then I won't buy it in order to do the same for myself. Want to go back to the late 70's early 80's American cars? I mean...it's not like we need a global economy or anything.

Well, I hope all you good import driving kids have fun supporting us bad kids who buy American when possible instead of just because of the label. Maybe you can just give us the welfare and the per year prison housing costs so we can go live in Korea and have a higher standard of living and work for less and make all the things needed to support the companies that make the memory you use.

I paid my taxes and I pay for other people to go to school. Did you forget so send a check or something? Remember kids, if you want to grow up and be president you have to be an obedient member of THE PARTY first.

The Other Steve Jobs >

You must surely be joking: the USA's public education system is in crisis for any number of reasons, here's just a couple…

Education is managed at a school district level, and might in a time of crisis be escalated to the state. In the meantime, federal government - who are too busy thinking about how to get re-elected - pander to the Religious Right, whilst paying lip-service to liberal political correctness, instead of thinking about the main thing, which is ensuring that children get a consistent standard of education within every school and every school district.

A common curriculum, taught to common standards would be a good start.

Then - and this is a challenge here in the UK as well - you have to use education to promote "making things" as a career as opposed to simply "selling" things: the financial services industry is doubtless a fine thing, but there are only so many pensions or life policies that can be sold. For a humorous view on this subject, read the section on the Shoe Event Horizon in The Hitchhiker's Guide…. In Italy, if you're an Engineer, you get a professional courtesy title, likewise in Germany - in the USA and UK, you get treated as a grease monkey.

Here's another thing: stop confusing science and faith - they're two separate things (please note, I'm not saying one is better than the other - although I have a view - they're just separate things). If the USA wants to be taken seriously as a centre for science, research and development, it has to stop local, state and Federal politicians from using the school system to promote a subjective faith-based agenda. It's not big, it's not clever and it ultimately leads to more pragmatic nations - like Korea, China and Singapore - coming in and stealing your lunch money.

I tend to stay away from automobiles altogether: I ride public transportation, which puts the MAJORITY of the money back into the pockets of my neighbors, and not just some honkey who is fine with living in a polluted waste dump.

twdldee - "To hell with the gooks" Are you serious? What century are you living in?

anyone who brings up politics on a mac website, just shows how little they actually know about politics

Ahem...

Can we just stay on topic please?

This is a Mac forum, that's it. Some people presume too much ... like we're interested in your opinions on everything else.

If you want to talk about your allegiance with the Clan, or the Talaban etc, that's your right ... somewhere else.

MDW: "Grip" as in getta grip on reality.

Exprain that prease.

but not until then.. until then - we have a shitload of dummies with really good self esteem ... and some even can speak english.

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Still waiting for a George Bush reference.. did I miss it?

Please see this news:
http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=2095642005

>Please see this news:
http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=2095642005>

Barbra Streisand, or BS.

the education problem in america will be solved when the ten commandments are in every school room, students pray at the beginning of the school day, and teachers stop teaching evolution and replace it with intelligent design. until then, the godless chinese, japanese and koreans will continue to do better than america in school achievement tests. this is the logic of the religious right.

from the article:

'California-based Apple, which also produces Macintosh computers,'

LOL

I was going to make a comment about Samsung and price fixing. However, it seems so many crazies have come out of the woodwork that it's clearly pointless for me to talk about such mundane things such as IT and the law. I think I'll read a book instead.

twdldee - Lemme guess - you voted for Bush

"That "Designed in California by Apple and Manufactured in China" sticker doesn't do it for me."

Yeah, and while they're at it, kick out that limey Head of Design. I want "Designed in California by Californians and Manufactured in California from Californian boxy beige plastic."

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In Korea the "NAND price fixing" scandal isn't the main contributor to the quoted anti-Samsung sentiment amongst political and civic. There's two other big factors, both of which have been around for many years.

Firstly union membership is banned at Samsung. This of course has many student activist groups up in arms. Of course in many western companies union membership is also banned - IMHO this is mostly a storm in a tea-cup, since from what I can gather Samsung employees are generally fairly well paid and treated.

The other big scandal surrounding Samsung concerns the inheritance of Samsung group companies by the current owners, sons of the company's founder. The concern is that they inherited large share holdings at prices significantly, and artificially, below market value. This ensured they wouldn't have to pay much in the way of inherience tax. Conversely it affected other share-holders, negatively impacting the value of their shares. This scandal has been around for years, and keeps going back to the courts.

Sorry I'm light on detail here - these issues have been widely reported in the Korean press. I don't read Korean, so I'm getting all this second-hand from my wife.

"Yeah, and while they're at it, kick out that limey Head of Design. I want "Designed in California by Californians and Manufactured in California from Californian boxy beige plastic.""

What does one British designer got to do with it? What matters here are jobs in factories. I would very much want products to be manufactured in western countries, help our own people get jobs, and raise overal product quality control. What is made in USA these days anyways? Or even in Germany, UK, Japan, etc. It's becoming less and less, and people don't care as long as things stay cheap. Now we have to rely on the communist to ramp up our own economy. That's just weird.

It's always fun watching stupid business decisions cause a flame out. You gotta love a company that says, sorry we don't want to deal with your political bullshit and bad PR fall out so we'll find another option.

Who's Apple gonna partner with and squash Samsungs flash output?

Samsung must be run from North Korea.

Maybe we're all wrong and it's our own FTC that made Apple run.

At least that's what the Koreans are saying.