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They are right. The ROKR is lipstick on a pig.

And it probably will do well in the USA, considering the limited selection of high-end phones relative to Europe and Asia.

I was hoping the ROKR would be a RAZR, but with music controls on the outside of the lid. Instead it looks like the handsets the mobile companies give away for free. My two year old Nokia may not play DRM AAC, but it has everything else the ROKR has.

I am betting that Motorola's statement on this being the first phone of many means something less aimed at first time mobile buyers is coming. I'm not going to upgrade unless they show me a device worth having, and I think most people who already have a phone will be thinking the same.

Ahh well, prolly serves Ed Zander right for making public wisecracks about how Steve Jobs wasn't gonna be jumpin' out of a cake during one of Zander's recent product intro events and then immediately thereafter getting all lovey with a smirky-ass Steve Ballmer as they both stroked each other over the delights of the Motorola/Microsoft relationship.

So .. how's that cake lookin' now, Ed? Did you notice anything poppin' out of it yet?

Just further proof of how far behind the US mobile phone market is compared to the rest of the world.

MW = century, as in the US mobile phone market is still in the last century

I´ll write the (typical) MDN comment:

"Who in the hell is the BBC to say that the iTunes phone sucks??? What does BBC stand for "Brainless Brits Clueless".
Don´t they know that USB 1.1 is just .9 away from USB 2.0!!!
And if Microsoft brought it out it would suck and have viruses and a terrible Microsoft OS and where is that link to Steve Balmer dancing we at MDN always use?

Hermida reports, "Compared to other music mobiles available in the UK, the Rokr falls short."
Hey limey Al Hermida -the only thing that is short is thing dangling between your legs!

MDN urges everyone to write some juvenile, stupid email to the BBC wankers about how stupid they are and that Steve Jobs and Apple are god!!! And Microsoft sucks. Viruses. Viruses. Viruses."

I do a blowjob for a ROKR

See, that's the difference Randy.

No one is saying that stuff because the BBC got it right.

The Rokr is just not up to Apple standards and it shows.

We only get pissed off when the 'experts' are wrong or when they are reading from a script prepared by Microsoft's PR department.

Al - if the phone had apple on it, you would be thumping your chest saying how wonderful it is....no matter how much it sucked.

How about giving Apple some heat for allowing itself to get involved in a 2nd rate phone? Remember Steve cancelled the intro back in July. What for - to bring out this obsolete experiment in bad design???

Lending your nice car to a criminal still makes you an accomplice.

Jim is right.

Apple made a bad move by allowing such a turd to be extruded by Motorola with their name on it.

wtf? Does everybody slam Apple because iTunes will work on mediocre Windows boxes? Not many people do. So how come folks are getting all snitty because iTunes will work on a mediocre phone, too?

Sheeze .. Apple oughta just put out an update to disable iTunes from functioning on that phone if everybody's gonna keep blaming the wrong outfit for flubbing the hardware.

We beat the crap out of Mighty Mouse (at least I did). The ROKR isn't good enough for me, and I have a phone that's more than two years old. My friend stationed in Korea has a better phone that he got for free than most of the stuff that I would pay around $200 for here. It's sad where the US is in terms of tech on the wireless phones. A lot of it comes from the people who only see "free" and don't see features.

MW: Indeed. Yes indeed.

Just further proof of how far behind the US mobile phone market is compared to the rest of the world.

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Yeah but you guys have been watching the same 10 people F each other for the past 50 years in either a) the general store or b) the bar, on Coronation Street..

So we're even.

I would jump at the chance of using a cell phone that was designed by Apple. Apple understands how I think and they produce elegant solutions for the human-machine interface.

An Apple handset offered by carriers on all major digital networks would be a phone one could live with for 3-5 years unlike the inevitably obsolete phones our carriers in North America offer us.

An Apple phone should have Bluetooth, a 2 MP camera, iTunes (1 Gb would be fine), recharge by plugging into USB (or FireWire) and have large enough buttons for dialing embedded in the click-wheel that fat fingered people can use.

MOST importantly.. Apple would refuse to allow carriers to cripple the phone's bluetooth features.. Without question disabling data transfer, modem and all the other things that can be done over Bluetooth is simply stupid.

Consumers should complain in the loudest and strongest terms that they want the FULL benefits of available technology.

Oh... and until Apple brings out such a handset, would someone please make me a slick, tap sensitive click wheel with an embedded keypad for phone dialing that uses Bluetooth that I can easily stick on the dash or console to operate my existing phone...

In fact.. Apple should replace the numeric keypad section on all desktop keyboards with a click wheel with an embedded numeric keypad. People are so used to using small desktop calculators now that the tactile feel of the current mechanical keypads is not as important as it once was.

Apple.. if you like this idea, I would be happy to let you sell them royalty free under the Apple brand. I'll take 25 cents for each unit you sub-licence to others.

Frank R - you´re a genius....

How about asking for 5 cents for each time somebody at Apple laughs at you because you think your idea has never been thought of before - you will be rich!!!

And Frank your website...uh...suc..need help?

Yes, you can remove those blue lines around graphics.
Send my 25 cents for this suggestion to you to the Red Cross Katrina fund.

Jimmy R.

I would have to say that my website is in fact a cobweb site. No matter.. my domain registration expires in a few months and I simply have very little time to think about updating and maintaining it.

Frank - take all your 25 cents in royalties and hire someone to maintain your site....

What was it Steve said back in June? "It's True."

Yea, but I'm talking about the US phone market being sooo last century. It's really !@#í.

Why is it that you pay to RECEIVE calls??? Hmmmmm? Greed methinks.

Why do you get crippled phones (by the telecoms no less) and pay $50 a month for them? Hmmmm? Greed again methinks.

Corporations run amok in America, and the dumb ass population swallows it whole. They fight over some stupid 1920's house on Steve's land in California, but ignore the real issues like this phone issue for one thing. Also not fought loud enough for: health care, drugs, schools, oil (rather than finding alternatives which don't require monopolies). Even personal computing is mostly ruined thanks to Microsft (thank heaven's for Apple.)

See you all in hell. I'll be whipping your asses.

Here's a grain of salt: the BBC loves to slam America anyway.

The ROKR phone would be fine for listening to podcasts and maybe the last couple of albums you bought but like the BBC said, USB 1 is way too slow. It is very hard to look favorably to this product. Compared to other mobile phones and any iPod there is nothing good to say about it.

The ROKR shows why Apple dumped Motorola time ago. To me it is just a proof of concept that will work like this to phone makers:

"Hey, look at this lousy phone, and it sells more than your fancy models ONLY because it is the first having iTMS sw builtin. Imagine the volume you would sell if you were to put iTMS on your great - instead of a lousy - phone"

If the ROKR sucks, then why did Apple get itself tied to it?
Steve obviously made demands on what iTunes could and could not do in the phone, so he had to have some input into the design - even as little as "Hey, Steve, here´s the phone we´re going to put it in, what do you think?".

He could have demanded something better, but he didn´t.
Why?
Because he does not want you or me to even buy a phone that plays music - he wants you to buy an iPod. iTunes is just in this phone as a defensive move and to keep the critics from saying why isn´t there iTunes for phones.
Once Steve figures out how to make us buy both an iPod and a phone that uses iTunes and he makes lots of money off both then you will see some really nicely designed iTunes phones.

2cents you're absolutely right!!

The only thing any decent iTunes phone will do is seriously cannibalise sales of iPods. So i figure the only time you will really see a serious iTunes phone will be when Apple bring out their own one.

2cents,

it looks to me you are using a stronger currency than mine your 2cents have more value than mine

"He could have demanded something better, but he didn´t.
Why?
Because he does not want you or me to even buy a phone that plays music - he wants you to buy an iPod."

I've been saying this for weeks. All roads lead to iPod (sales). So why is everyone so up in arms over this mediocre ROKR phone? Because they let rumors get the best of them and started frothing at the mouth over a never-promised Apple iPhone.

"Oooh, look! There's a phone icon in iTunes. The iPhone is coming! Sell the furniture. I'm gonna need some cash!"

This phone deal was just a simple matter of Apple getting snuggly with Cingular's customer base.

Fact: Sony K750 and W800 piss all over the iTunes phone.

Just goes to show you Apple could paint a dog turd white and they could sell it to their unquestioning "fan" base..

Sad twats

Cutman,

First of all, there is no iTunes phone. There is a Motorola ROKR phone with iTunes capabilities.

Second, Apple's unquestioning "fan" base clearly isn't buying. Sorry to disappoint.

No estarle me gustan le ROKR. That is what you get when you give an exclusive to 1 company, 1 provider...its only a matter of time until REAL cell phones are produced with the same capabilities.

Andrew Hamilton
Las Vegas Videographers
http://www.hiproductions.com

As Jack would say..."You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"

Sorry, but the BBC got it exactly right - "The Rokr is simply the first mobile phone which plays music via Apple's iTunes software".

That's all it is. If anything, we should be happy that Apple gets to work out any potential bugs at the expense of someone else. This way, Apple does nothing to their image as they may have if they had released a phone of their own that was not up to the standards that we (and the rest of the world) have come to expect. Could you imagine the negative press ?!! Those guys are salivating while they wait for Apple to make a wrong move.

And 2 cents makes a very valid point as well.

When Apple has it exactly right, they will release their own phone. You guys just need to be patient. Remember, good things come to those who wait.

On another note - wtf is up with all the UK bashing? You know, it's a pretty damn good country filled with good people. And they happen to be about the only true allies we have left in the world. Quit frigging alieninating them. They also happen to be right - the US handsets are WAY behind what the Euro's have. Quit acting like a bunch of jealous twits.

MW - question. "Don't question Steve!" (lol)