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This applies to computers, as well. Apple has demonstrated a clear willingness to lower prices, as long as sales justify doing so. If Macs keep selling more strongly, I see lower prices in the future.

Yeah, Us Mac users have had to pay a premium for our computers for all these years because of relatively low volume Mac sales.. You haven't heard us complaining.. Have you?

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Define "complaining."

You can't expect your local grocery store to compete with a supermarket chain on price. It's called buying power.

What about the Mac Mini Update MDN?
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0509macmini2.html

Apple is sellign the new models disgused in the old box to sell of their old inventory. The customer can;t return the older min for a chance to get the one without paying a restocking fe..

This is simply a dirty trick by Apple and a smack in the face for loyal mac users. Apple can go to hell.

...and 'disgruntled' becomes 'embattled' becomes 'beleaguered'.

MW = 'farm' as in "Apple's buying chips, they're gonna be buying the farm."

So... you would feel cheated if you got the older box with the newer mac mini?

Nah, many other PC manufacturers do it too. At worst, it is a bit sneaky. I do wish they would clearly post the specs on the outer box at least.

For example, I bought a Western Digital HD recently that said 120GB on the box, but when I opened it up, it actually had a 160GB inside along with a card saying I had received an upgraded drive for no extra charge.

once upon a time there was an expression:

"Cornered The Market"

Apple has cornered the market on digital music players. They've done so in a relatively short period of time. It makes them the proverbial 800LB gorilla in the product space.

Jobs is sitting in Cupertino rubbing his hands together, rocking back and forth, saying, "I've got all the tunes! I've got all the players."

Enjoy it while it lasts, because the industry won't allow it forever. Either songs on iTunes will go up in price or Apple will start licensing FairPlay to competitors.

The also-rans are beginning to attack each other. The end is near.

LOL "Mac mini Update" you're the only person I've ever heard say that it's a rip off to get more than what you thought you were paying for. Those are the kinds of surprises most people would like!

Tim, it's only a rip off if you happen to get the old box with the old machine and then cannot exchange for the new one...

I suppose if you wait a few weeks all the old inventory will be cleared out, but it is still a strange tactic.

Mike,

How is that a rip off? Please clarify again how getting a machine that matches the specs of the packaging and what is currently being advertised at a stated price a rip off.

Sizewell, It's a rip off because some people are getting new machines with upgraded specs and some are getting old machines for the same price.

Mike,
Then some people are getting exactly what the says, and some people are getting more than what the box says. But nobody is getting ripped off!

Your mom got ripped off buying generic morning after pills!

okay, put it this way...

You and your friend are aware that Apple has upgraded the specs of the mini and you each decide to buy one.

You both walk into your local Apple store and pay the same price for each of your units... When you get home and open up the boxes, you realize that your friend has a faster hard drive, a better video card and a dual layer superdrive. You paid the same price, but there is nothing you can do about it.

Don't tell me you would not feel ripped off.

Here's the REAL reason - remember this from 1999?

http://www.macobserver.com/news/99/july/990729/appleinvestssamsung.html

This is a result of smart investing/partnering by Apple. The other fruit from this investment is the absolute consistent high-quality panels in laptops and LCD displays from Apple.

Mike,

If you want to put it THAT way, you might FEEL you got ripped, but you could also feel your friend got LUCKY! Remember, there has been no official announcement of said updated Mac minis.

Mike,

If you really care that much, wait a few weeks until the older ones are out of the channel. You are not getting ripped off if they give you what is advertised, and they are.

Like I said earlier, I might have more of a problem with it if others didn't do the exact same thing all of the time. Just get over it, some people will get a bonus and some won't, but everyone will get at least what is being advertised...

It's Creative that's complaining.

But I look at this way, Apple is driving up demand for flash and in time production will increase and prices will come down.

Then we can get rid of hard drives and cd/dvd's almost entirely and have solid state notebooks. :D

Steve Jobs is making up for all those years he sat on the sidelines.

GO STEVE!!

And if being able to return it without paying the 10% is so important to you, then just don't buy it direct from Apple then. Many other Mac retailers, like Fry's for example, don't charge restocking fees.

Dominates world markets.....except for South Korea.

Aye - no case here as long as Apple's not requiring Samsung to deal exclusively with Apple, and Samsung offers the same price (at the same volume) to Apple's competitors.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't the case. Apple is riding the anti-competitive shadow created by Microsoft as far as it will take them.

PC Apologist, you must be one of the least business savvy people posting on here. AND you sound like a freaking communist. It's a competitive world. Apple can ask and even demand an exclusive deal. It can and even demand lower prices. It can do whatever it wants, as long as the seller is willing to do the same. Samsung is the manufacturer of the raw commodity and Apple is the buyer, and as long as they do not engage in illegal activities, everything is fine.

PC Apologist: Samsung has to commit to invest (borrow either from banks, earnings, or investors) millions of dollars to build a factory to make chips based on projections of the future market. If after the factory is built, it only operates at 20% capacity, the fixed costs for that other 80% will take a longer time to be paid back, and time costs money (i.e. interest, lost opportunity). Apple's guarantee to purchase 40% of output means that they can charge less for it because they can pay off the sunk investment costs sooner.

Suppose you saw such a great deal that you borrowed $1000 at 4% interest to buy 20 widgets which you planned to resell for $100 each. Then suppose a buyer comes along and says that he'd buy 8 widgets for $60 apiece today. Would you sell it to him in order to get the $480 dollars and immediately pay back almost half of your loan? Now suppose another buyer comes along and says he'd buy 1 widget for $60? Would it be anywhere near as worth it to make the deal since if others hear of it, they'd come asking to buy 1 @ $60, leading you to sell all 20 for $60 which nets you $200 minus the 4% interest and any inventory, purchasing/admin, and marketing costs you needed to incur?

Guarantees and large quantity purchases are worth money because they reduce risk and carrying costs.

Rasists...They're all racists. If Apple was a Korean company this wouldn't be a problem.

Hmmm...let me see, should I take an order for 20 Gazillion widgets at a substantial price cut that would keep the factory that I spent 100 Gazillion on to build running, or maybe I should just sell 500,000 widgets to my current customers hoping they'll order more.

Me thinks they've been eating too much Kimchi.