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Leave it to the greedy, sleezebags that only know how to shaft someone to try telling a successful venture how they should 'really' be doing their business.

Talk about the height of arrogance!

MW 'there' as in get the hell out of there, you don't belong in that part of the business!

No more to say, The record industry can go and borrow my window (12th floor) and have alook down. Apple is the only one fighting for decency.

Regarding the last of the "Related Articles" above, I don't think we'd see a $2.49/song pricing scheme in the near future. Unless they're deliberately trying to scare people into buying CDs. The possibility of artists selling exclusively from online services (and cutting out the record companies completely) scares the crap out of them.

$1.25/song would be acceptable to most people, but any higher than that would be pushing it.

melanie~
if they think they are going to scare people into buying cd's they should think again. they will go back to P2P aquisition. but you are right in that the recording industry is afraid of becoming redundant pedlars of plastic disks when the artists just sign up with an on line distributors. It's not about music with them, just the packaging.

Yeah, I mean if only there were a way of completely cutting out the middle man and just dealing with the artist directly. Screw those middle men.

(Note : to those whose browsers do not support sarcasm, this is entirely possible already and has been for decades. Not sure what you guys have been buying since the 70s but it's been quite possible to support art and stick it to the man way before MP3. Looks like most people actually want a retail middle man like iTMS rather than dealing with lots of artists individually).

Songs should still be 99¢ max, but less popular songs should go for less than that.

But we know that's not the true intention of the RIAA here, what they want to do is raise the prices of popular songs to break iTMS and drive folks into a rental/subscription method.

The Labels don't want any one company controling the entire market, they rather have competition that keeps them in power and control.

In Japan artists are defecting their contracts with Labels to sell their music on iTMS.

But a message should go to the Labels, kill iTMS and we will all go to AllofMP3.com and or P2P and they won't get squat.

We are hooked on music like never before, I know I am, I bought almost 3000 songs off of iTMS to add to my 4000 song cd collection.

Cut me off by raising prices and I'll defect hard.

What's really laughable (and an outrage) is that the record industry is already making more from selling the latest 50 Cent song at iTunes $0.99 price that they are selling that song on a CD or via a subscription service.
That's right, the record industry is ALREADY MAKING A BIGGER PROFIT PER SONG on iTunes that any other distribution method.

Yet, that doesn't stop them from whining about how they are getting "ripped off" because iTunes is all about the 99 cents when it was the flat pricing that made buying music online workable in the first place. No doubt these freaking idiots are somehow using evidence of multi-tier pricing on other failed services to point out how desirable multi-tier pricing is. Freakin' idiots.

The list of Sleezebag "entrepreneurs" in America (in no particular order:

Record companies
News organizations
Cell phone providers
Cable/Satellite TV companies
Long distance DSL providers
Most large corporations

All of these folks seem to have two characteristic beliefs in common: The belief that there's no such thing as "enough profit", and that "there's a sucker born every minute."

To add: The day the artists will go direct to us is the day that they start paying for their own studio time, graphic designers, session musicians, radio and TV royalty collection, etc.

I do own albums that have been entirely home recorded on Mac and even Atari ST based systems, but electronic music is not the be all and end all. String and horn sections cost, rehearsal rooms cost, producers cost . . . and with very few exceptions, almost every musician I've ever known has wanted to 'get a deal' - get someone else to take the risk on hiring the studio, engineer, etc, etc. (Even though it all comes out of their future earnings).

The tiny number I know that are DIY in almost every respect (sleeves, websites, CD-R and MP3) tend to be uncommercial / anti - commercial / anti-capitalist in the first place.

shock.. Paul Thurrott wants messy pricing .. a variable scheme where you pay more for popular tracks..

yeah, cuz simplicity in pricing is so lame..

F U paul

"The tiny number I know that are DIY in almost every respect (sleeves, websites, CD-R and MP3) tend to be uncommercial / anti - commercial / anti-capitalist in the first place."

Right! My friend who plays Celtic Harp and is DIY sure fits that discription. Cut the blanket generalisations, some people just don't want to be caught in the trap set by the major labels.

An excellent electronic DIY band. Two guys who do everything, all on a Mac too! Also in the iTunes store. Help support DIY, check em out!

http://www.causeandeffect.com

"What's really laughable (and an outrage) is that the record industry is already making more from selling the latest 50 Cent song at iTunes $0.99 price that they are selling that song on a CD or via a subscription service.
That's right, the record industry is ALREADY MAKING A BIGGER PROFIT PER SONG on iTunes that any other distribution method."

New Type, where did you get this info? I'm not doubting you, just wondering if you heard this from a legitimate source or if it's just speculation. Thanks

I'm in an "indy" band, (still have my day job) and we have been doing the DIY thing for the last 2 years and in that time we've sold about 1,500 albums at shows and on our web site, and in the last year we sold about 50 songs /month on iTMS.
Where the major labels really have control over most of the music biz is thru radio. This is probably gonna change or evolve soon but the bottom line is you can't break big without radio/tv airplay.
HOWEVER, i think more and more bands/artist are taking the indy thing further and further by selling more and more themselves, and I can sense the industry changing.

We've been approached by several indy labels (some with important financial backing) who really want to bring back the "artist development" concept and want to work
with bands as real partners instead of the corporate model that squeezes everything out of the artists. I really think that this is the future.

And of course, all these labels see the iTMS as a key ingredient for success.

Oh yeah and my band is http://www.simplfy.com

MDNW: enough as in "Enough artists have gotten wise to start the revolution!"

"That's right, the record industry is ALREADY MAKING A BIGGER PROFIT PER SONG on iTunes that any other distribution method."

That might be true, but with cd's and whole album sales they were making more money overall because people had to buy the whole cd for just a few popular songs.

Artists can record for years and finally get a hit song, the Labels want to make as much money as possible for that hit song to cover the hundreds of other crappy songs a artist makes.

In actuality though, because it's so damm easy to preview/buy older and all the music a artist made using iTMS, it's more exposure and sale potential which greatly makes up for the lost potential in popular music.

I seriously think it would be a dumb move to change the model now, while P2P networks still rule the roost.

But of course the RIAA is all about screwing themselves anyway.

Hilary Rosen is a frigging idiot.

Zeke: "The list of Sleezebag "entrepreneurs" in America (in no particular order:
"

I would include cable internet providers in this list.

Given that online music stores like iTMS can now distribute music worldwide can you tell me what valuable service the RIAA Cartel members render to musicians?
1 Maybe it's illegal payola to get your 'artists' played.
2 Maybe it's getting your 'artists' pimped on MTV/MTV2/VH1/BET/CMT (all VIACOM) between the unreality shows and other drivel to the sheeple who will blindly follow whatever they are fed.
Nah...
They just want to continue to get their pockets lined for doing nothing productive and hiring their family/friends.
Much more likely

Mike wrote: "New Type, where did you get this info? I'm not doubting you, just wondering if you heard this from a legitimate source or if it's just speculation. Thanks"

Steve Jobs stated earlier this year at the digital "D" conference sponsored by the Wall Street Journal that the labels were earning a far bigger profit per song on iTunes than they were selling CDs. I think Jobs was addressing a question regarding whether iTunes would raise prices and Steve shot that down by saying the labels were already making more per song even at $0.99.

I also think it's a safe guess that the record companies probably are not even close in terms of profit-per-song for subscription models compared to iTunes. If a subscriber paying $15/month listens to just 15 songs in a month, then the labels are definitely making less per song. I imagine the average subscriber is listening to hundreds of songs per month since it doesn't cost anything extra to just leave the music on and playing.


MacDude wrote: "That might be true, but with cd's and whole album sales they were making more money overall because people had to buy the whole cd for just a few popular songs."

The only reason this is so is because of volume. Digital downloads are still less than 5% of the market. But when digital downloads consist of a larger fraction of worldwide annual music revenues (say, 20-40%), my guess is that profits will start to become comparable to CD profits. CD revenues will still be higher, of course, but at the end of the day, it's how much money you can keep that will do the talking.

xuck. There's no stoppin' the stupid. Steve, just pick up your marbles, go home and enjoy life. Screw em. Really. Oops, I forgot about all those folks still workin' at AAPL. Nevermind, lets keep it up, WTF this can be fun.

EVERY SINGLE MUSIC EXECUTIVE IN LOS ANGELES MUST BE KILLED!!! THEY ARE ALL A BUNCH OF SLEAZEBAG A*HOLES WHO ONLY LIVE TO SCREW OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. ALL MUSIC EXECUTIVES MUST DIE!

My wife's band is independent -- they recorded their album at a studio, but paid for it themselves. We've fooled around with Garageband, but I think often you still need a studio and a trained engineer for really good sound.

Funny thing with ITMS, BTW. I wanted to only offer the music to it, but they told me to go through cdbaby.com, who sells the band's CD ( a reply took months!). Unfortunately, while cdbaby will enable digital distribution, they won't limit it to a particular service -- and I wanted it to be exclusively on ITMS. So, I've yet to give cdbaby the greenlight, only because the thought of being on MSN Music, Napser, etc. is really annoying.

<self-pimping>PS While the CD was not recorded on a Mac, everything else from the band is Mac-based (posters, Web site content, enhanced photos that make certain members look better, etc.). If you are in the mood for some rock/fiddle, check out: http://www.downdogtunes.com</self-pimping>

BTW, if you haven't seen the music industry from a band's perspective, do some rading/investigating. It's worse than you can imagine, how big labels screw artits over.

<self-pimping>PS While not recorded on a Mac, everything else about the band is Mac-based. If you are in the mood for rock/fiddle, check out: http://www.downdogtunes.com</self-pimping>