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"Don't tell me about profits when I spend 10 million for an R&B;video"

Except you don't spend the money: under most artist's contracts, the cost of promotional video (and indeed all promotional costs) are actually paid for by the artists, as is recording studio time.

The only real costs that the label carries in the vast majority of cases are the production of the physical artefact (redundant under a digital paradigm), shipping and distribution (ditto) and above-the-line advertising (i.e. press/TV/billboard).

This guy is no music label executive, unless he's the junior mail room executive, and - to be honest - his whole writing style (!) is reminiscent of NMFY or NoMacForYou.

Dear Troll uh Music Execs:

1. You want a cut of the ipod? Why not the turntables, CD players and other mp3 players.

2. I love it when you and your friends at the RIAA tried to sue some Canadians over P2P sharing which is legal in Canada.

3. If your tongue were still the noise would still continue, the rocks and stones themselves would start to sing.

4. There are roots. I remember when the recording industry used to have class. Then again, at that time the composers used to record their own music, on paper. You can still get recordings of this. Of course you need an orchestra to read it, but it is such a pure form of music. Do you get a cut from the paper industry for recording music, sheet music?

5. Trolling trolling trolling, keep those posts a going.

And the MW is: *takes a look*
Effect: As in cause and effect.

Music exec= especially verbose sputnik

if not then
exec= lying sack of sh*t

MW litlle as in the industry little understands the ground shift underway

What would be cool to know is, for those artists, like Motoharu Sano, who have struck independent contracts with Apple, what percentage of sales they receive. I'd assume, that depending on their contract, they'd still have to pay the label something, but obviously the label doesn't have full control, as they do for many artist. So maybe those artist, such as Motoharu Sano, are making more the the 7 cents a song (US) that artist have been complaining about. In fact, it's possible that they could be taking the full 70 cents per song, or somewhere in between 7-70 cents.

I believe "Music Label Exec- Anon" IS INDEED A MUSIC LABEL EXECUTIVE.

And boy, it just goes to show that Music Labels have even bigger problems than we thought...!!!

The world has changed, but they haven't recognized it. Nor yet do they have a clue what to do about it.

Dear oh dear oh dear.

Dear Mac Head, uh.. Zombie uh..., Road Warrior

"You want a cut of the ipod? Why not the turntables, CD players and other mp3 players."

We do get a cut.. you take one of my songs and remix it.. i am get a piece of that pie.

"I love it when you and your friends at the RIAA tried to sue some Canadians over P2P sharing which is legal in Canada."

Again, I (the troll) say to you what i say to every mac
head.. Any extent to protect profits.

"If your tongue were still the noise would still continue, the rocks and stones themselves would start to sing"

.... What? and you guys think i am talking garbage...

macaholic: Instead of insulting please debate. You are just living up to the sterotype of the bitter apple user.

"And boy, it just goes to show that Music Labels have even bigger problems than we thought...!!!"

Our problems are being migitated as we speak. Like i predicted Apple will raise their prices for music as they do with every other product they sell.

Like i said in another post. Its sad that your voices will die here while i reap the benefits of reality.. that the music will be heard at a price we choose.

Goodbye, i am off to another post... fight me there if you wish, this one is over.

How odd!

Mucous Executive has as yet failed to answer - smartass or otherwise - any of my charges.

Why is that?

Because he either can't (because he is NMFY or somesuch troll) or because he knows he has no defence.

Come on, Mucous Executive, tell me again how the record industry pays for promotional expenses like videos.

MCCFR,

Do you think kelly clarkson had the money to pay for her first music video?? do you even know what her sign on bonus was?? We payed for that video..

How about cameo appreances in a video, who pays for that? we group artists in our label and give them a royality fee to appear in up and comming stars videos...

Who do you think payed for musicians summer vacation in the Bahamas so that they can "write his music and work on an album" .. we did.

Come on man you are on the outside hating on an industry you know nothing about.. Even if i dont like apple.. i know them, i know what their products are and what their pitfalls are.. why? because i do my homework when i want to deal with someone. Just like old steve himself.. he did his homework and won the first hand of this card game but it takes two to tango... so its my turn to put my cards on the table and fight back with all the powers of my Label..

Music Label Executive - ANON is clearly a fool. If he's really a music exec - which I'm beginning to doubt - he's done nothing here other than show exactly why the industry is in such a disfunctional state.

His repetitvely narrow justification of the profit motive, for putting the screws (as far as the law and common industry practice will allow) to both customer and artist alike, are akin to a person lighting a forrest a fire in order to stay warm. In both cases, because you can't think through the consequences of your desires, you'll kill yourself and everything around you for the satisfaction of getting your way.

Let me put this another way, Exec. You talk about how you have to pay for celebrity "cameo appreances" in videos, or for musicians' "summer vacations in the Bahamas" as if those are anything more than industry 'pork'. We, the buying public, don't give a shit about that stuff. I don't buy songs from U2, or the Roots, or Gretchen Wilson, or Sinatra, or the Beatles, or Pearl Jam, or Outkast, or even the Boston Pops ... because I see a video. And certainly not because JayZ or Diddy or Snoop get some face time on it. Further, you claim you want to raise prices so that you can funnel the money back to the artists so that they can in turn make more music. Putting aside the ridiculousness of tying those two things together (i.e. How did they 'manage' to be prolific and creative when they were just starting out?), if you paid the artists the money you blow on the 'caviar dreams' you supply them, wouldn't THAT money help them make more music just as well?

Face it - you have no interest in making more/better music, or even making your industry more efficient (hence more profitable). You just want to keep the Gravy Train going - for you, for the artists, for all the other self-absorbed people involved - and to hell with the rest of us outside your twisted little world who ultimately will have to pay for it.

Despite all your words here, and all your moral outrage at Jobs, the sorry truth is you give examples of your industry's sickness as reasons for spreading it; in effect, infecting a healthier way of doing business.

Well, I may be wrong, but I think you're swimming against the tide. Sooner than you will like, the artists are going to figure out they'd rather have a bigger cut of a 99cent track than more 'fluffing' from you. And when it happens, you will be on the outside looking in.

My advice (if you really are who you say you are): Cut the fat - you'll live longer - and get ready to adjust to a brave new world, where you aren't all that important anymore.

Have a good weekend

Odyssey67,

The only thing i have to say to you is that the prices will inevitably go up.. and I will admit to repeating this and only this.. "Apple stock will not be oil proof forever and the economy today will be far better than tomorrow.. the economy is tanking"...

If apple reprices we have to renegotiate.. we did not blindly sign a contract.. We (the labels ) could go quietly into the night and let this happen on its own.. or address issues that could keep my label, my artists and apple afloat longer..

Even Steve Jobs can deny this.. no one can deny numbers and the numbers show that no company can be oil proof. Microsoft is a cash cow for god sakes and its feel the burn of oil prices.. apple will come down and prices will go up.

Make what you want for my argument.. but this prediction will come true.

Wake up.. please wake the F@ck up!

Music Exec:
You are on egotistical jerk! Consumers will win this one, and you will be out of a job. I hope that Apple becomes a record label because it will offer consumer friendly choices with the elegance that artists desire. You will loose your talent, and you will end up being fired by your board cronies.

As for me, I still have options. You must be from Warner? No more artists from your label for me!